Since the Middle Ages the Middle East has been the hub on which history turns, in the modern world this is more true than ever. World shaking events are being forged not in someone else’s ink smudged past or some Neuromancer future—but now, today, in less than a month. Iran, Israel, Isis, the bomb, oil, Al Qaeda, Afghanistan and hundreds of billions of frozen funds…. Not to mention the future of our globe all hang in the balance.
Nothing is more timely nor important than the Iran Nuclear Deal.
Two wise and impassioned men with polar opposite view debate this seminal issue.
For a YES vote is Acer- retired doctor, former debate champion and Obama supporter
For the NO vote is Smooth- retired military officer and no fan of the current administration
Smooth- Opening Opposition to Iran Nuclear Deal
WE are in grave danger! If you believe President Obama Iran won’t get Nukes under the proposed Iran Nuclear Deal. You also believed him when he said:
• You could keep your Doctors and that your health insurance cost will be Cheaper.
• if you like your plan you can keep your plan.
• There was no wrong doing in the IRS scandal.
• The death of the Libyan Ambassador and two others was the result of a video. (I know at this point what difference does it make?).
• ISIS is a JV team.
• Yemen is a success story.
• Global warming is the nations number one security issue.
• He is going to balance the budget.
• Bowe Bergdahl served with honor and distinction.
Put into perspective, this Administration has absolutely no credibility on International or domestic issues. How can Israel, Saudi Arabia or the US trust them with our Security!
The Presidents own goals prior to the talks were not met; yet he contends that the outcome of the negotiations is good for the World, the USA, The Middle East and Israel!!
Currently, The Middle East and North Africa are literally in flames, Yemen is lost; our reset with Putin has lost the Crimea with more to come, such as a reignited Cold War. Our Allies wonder if we’ll stand with them.
To the point, look at how President Bill Clinton’s agreement with Korea has worked out; they are now putting together a ballistic missile program to deliver the Nuke’s they developed under that agreement. Only difference they have China to help reign them in, Iran has no one. And we are supposed to trust them to gather their own on site samples and then give 25 days to start looking at the facility, how utterly naive?
The talks were conducted by Secretary Kerry, the disgraced Navy veteran whose lies in testimony about those who served in Vietnam helping set the tone for Us Vietnam veterans to be ill-treated by this nation for our alleged drug use during the war. Kerry purposes are supposed to believe it’s this agreement or war, how stupid does he think we are.
As for the House inviting Netanyahu to speak in their Chamber, perhaps you have forgotten: The House is one of three coequal branches of Government. There are as many Democrats upset with what appears to be a bizarre process to get Iran a backdoor nuclear weapon putting which everyone knows puts Israel in mortal jeopardy. I’m hoping they will vote with the integrity of their position.
President Obama is going down this road JUST for his legacy? The cowardly Kerry is negotiating the agreement which he says will have no legal status, yet onward he pushes, Obama’s lapdog of legacy desired.
The sneaky way they put the agreement before the UN (who has demonstrated they are not our friends time and again) before our third branch of government votes, just goes to show the White house and Kerry’s distain for the Constitution, for the peoples duly elected representatives. For the people themselves, they are not putting Americans first. Wouldn’t it be nice to have all the side deals with all parties on the table, bet you every one at the table benefited from Obama and Kerry’s largess with Americans money and favors.
Kerry and President Obama so badly want a legacy agreement no matter how flawed, they are trying to sell us, and our Middle East allies down the road!
This must be voted down and everyone voting to do that will be voting to sustain America, its future and those of our Allies.
Acer- opening support for Iran Nuclear Deal
I agree with Secretary Kerry that the current agreement with Iran on nuclear capacity is the best course for the United States. Iran has agreed to limit uranium enrichment to 3.7% and cap its stockpile of low enriched uranium at 300 kilograms for the next year. That is considered an insufficient quantity for a bomb rush. (NY Times, July 14, 2015).
Of course, we need to follow President Reagan’s maxim of “trust but verify.” In the agreement Iran will allow inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency access to its nuclear facilities and to the supply chain including mines and mills. Vigilance is required to make sure that Iran lives up to its promises. If it fails to, I suspect our ally Israel will blow the whistle.
The alternative to the agreement is to keep up our part of the trade sanctions (the rest of the world will drop them now) and to keep up the sword rattling and the chest thumping that have characterized US Iran relations for the past 36 years. These tactics have not been productive. The examples of Nixon and China, and Reagan and the USSR, demonstrate that when adversaries bargain in wary and self-interested, but sincere, fashion the results can salutary. This is the path the United States should pursue at this time.
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I cannot let the ad homimem attacks on the agreement go unanswered. John Kerry is an American hero. He came from a rich and powerful family and with his connections he could have easily avoided Vietnam duty, as did George W. Bush and Richard Cheney. Instead he enlisted in the Navy and received the Silver Star, the Bronze Star Medal with a V for valor, and three Purple Hearts. He still carries shrapnel in his body. On one occasion a Vietcong insurgent targeted Kerry’s craft with an RPG round. When the craft beached and opened fire on the VC and wounded him, Kerry jumped from the boat and pursued the VC and killed him and captured the rocket-loaded launcher. (Wikipedia) These are not the actions of a coward.
Smooth- Closing Position Against Iran Nuclear Deal
For all intents and purposes of our discussion there are four entities involved in the Iran agreement.
The White House led by President Obama, The Secretary of State John Kerry, the Iranians and the other countries at the table.
Each participant has their own issues.
President Obama and Secretary Kerry’s issue is the same, they have no credibility. As mentioned previously both have a long history of making truth the victim when they are saying whatever is necessary to advance their goals. In this case an agreement at whatever the price.
Whether its Kerry’s lies about Vietnam Veterans to give himself political advantage. Or, President Obama’s almost unlimited list of falsehoods on almost every issue, both have combined with Hillary Clinton to have a failed Foreign policy and are wanting so badly to make this deal.
To this point a contradiction from someone at the table to one of Kerry’s statements. Jacques Audibert, The senior French diplomatic advisor to the French President who led the French team in the discussions with Iran and the P5+1, while agreeing with the overall plan was quoted in Bloomberg View as saying in a meeting with Democrat and Republican members of the armed services directly disputed Kerry’s claim that a Congressional rejection of the Iran deal would result in the collapse of sanctions and Iran racing to the bomb without restrictions. “He basically said, If Congress votes this down, there will be some saber-rattling and some chaos for a year or two, but in the end nothing will change and Iran will come back to the table and …… we’d end up with a better deal”. He went onto tell our lawmakers that most the sanctions would stay in place as most European countries would not want to challenge the existing US sanctions.
Iran has never lived up to any agreement concerning their nuclear programs, at one time actually removing a building and all the dirt under it prior to the IAEA having time to get to the site. Evidence GONE. Since 1984 been a state sponsor of Terrorism, according to the State Department.
As far as trust and verify, we and apparently Secretary Kerry are hearing about “Secret Side Deals” Iran made with The International Atomic Energy Agency has made with Iran about Iran actually picking up the soil samples for testing and a full 24 days before inspectors could get on site!!! He can tell us about those agreement because he was not made privy to them? The American people or Congress can’t get information about them as they are Between IAEA and Iran, how stupid does he think we are that he thinks we’d buy that? He led our negotiations!!! There are no snap backs if Iran violates the agreements.
Unfortunately President Obama and Iranian President Hassan Rouhani are both trying to put the best spin on the agreement at home. Their take is 180 degrees out of phase from each other. We are not chanting death to Iran. President Obama says Rouhani is spinning the deal for his countries internal consumption, exactly what President Obama is doing. Iran is still hell bent on destruction of Israel and The US. Now if this deal goes thru they will have more monies to pay for more terrorist support, access to more weapons and a path to a Nuclear weapon. What a deal for them!!
The other Countries involved in these talks see great possibilities of Economic gain to doing business with an unencumbered by sanctions Iran, benefits to each are numerous to go into in any depth.
This is not the path we should be on for us or Israel or our other Middle East friends, Congress has a duty to vote this flawed agreement down.
No one said Kerry was a coward. He might have done what he said he did to be awarded a Silver Star in two days? or a Purple Heart for a scratch
His despicable behavior by lying and demeaning all those who served making us who served look like drug crazed killers for his political gain still makes me and many others including many of his boat mates sick. He set the stage for how poorly Vietnam Vets were treated. Yes he served, not with distinction but because he did come from a rich and connected family he was able to testify in front of Congress and then move into the forefront of the Anti-Vietnam War movement and became a politician.
Acer- Closing Support for Iran Nuclear Deal
My honorable opponent seems to have confused attacks on people he does not like, President Obama, Secretary Kerry, and the Iranians, with actual discussion of the deal. The deal is widely acclaimed throughout the world. The Vatican has endorsed it. Just today the Wall Street Journal reported that the Gulf Cooperation Council, composed of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Oman, and Bahrain, endorsed the deal. These countries are NOT allies of Iran. Donald Tusk, president of the European Council, said,
“If fully implemented, the agreement could be a turning point in relations between Iran and the international community, paving the way to new avenues of cooperation between the EU and Iran. Geopolitically, it has the potential to be a game changer.” (Wikipedia) Even Angela Merkel of Germany called it “an important success.”
The agreement calls for supervision of the entire process from uranium mining to enrichment. The deal will increase the breakout time to produce enough material for one nuclear bomb from two months to one year and would last for ten years.
If the deal falls through or is broken, the economic sanctions will be restarted. Sanctions in other cases have not been very helpful. Sanctions did not stop North Korea from getting the Bomb nor brought about regime change in Cuba despite fifty plus years of implementation.
And the military option is still there. This should not, however, be the first method employed. Wars always have unforeseen consequences. Sometimes, as in GW Bush’s war against Iraq, even when we win we lose.
In short, this agreement is too important to pass up. If it works, the world will be a safer place. Maybe, just maybe, it will lead to a liberalization of the government in Iran and the Iranian people may get to enjoy the friendship with the American people that they earnestly desire. (see Nicholas Kristof, New York Times, July 30, 2015)